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John T. Lloyd
John T. Lloyd was a church minister in South Africa. He was ordained in London in 1876 and worked as a Presbyterian minister in Kimberley between 1884 and 1889. He was for a time the minister at Pearson Street Congregational Church in Port Elizabeth, and then from 1894 he moved to Johannesburg. In 1892, according to Rive, Lloyd “was invited to deliver a lecture at the South African and International Exhibition, held in Kimberley from September of that year, on ‘Literary Life in South Africa’. A verbatim report of the lecture, in which Olive Schreiner featured prominently, appeared in the local Diamond Fields Advertiser of 13 October and Lloyd forwarded a copy to her. Olive in fact attended the exhibition and met Lloyd briefly there.” (Rive 1987: 214-5). Lloyd became a freethinker and left the ministry in 1902, returning to England.
Just two letters from Schreiner to Lloyd are now extant, but these are powerful and lengthy and they also represent what Lloyd claims was more than a thousand letters from her. While this number may be based on impression of significance rather than an actual count, Lloyd was clearly an important person for Schreiner in the late 1880s and 1890s, and from the two extant she appears to have written him extremely powerful letters filled with complex arguments and ideas.
The first extant letter is of uncertain dating because incomplete and partly a copy by Lloyd, consequently making it difficult to get a sense of this as a letter, although its contents are clear. In it, Schreiner argues that marriage should be made independent of monetary considerations, seen as a sacrament and not a light-hearted matter, and comments interesting on the character of Lyndall in The Story of an African Farm, that she was an inexperienced child and only this makes sense of her behaviour and attempts to behave in an ethical way. The second letter of 1892 responds to a copy of a lecture Lloyd had given, which he sent her, and also his letter enclosed with this. Schreiner’s response is concerned with religion, or more accurately with belief related to the nature of being or ontology. In it, Schreiner expresses her belief in the unity of things (what is called God, human kind, the universe). It provides interesting detail about her own religious history, her rejection of Christianity, the death of her younger sister Ellie, the writings of John Stuart Mill, and the poverty of language in discussing such matters. A thousand more letters like these is a remarkable thing for Schreiner scholarship to contemplate.
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- SCCS Edited Extracts: Four groups of edited extracts from Olive Schreiner's letters can be accessed from here, made by her estranged husband Cronwr... Show/Hide Collection Letters
- Letters/445:To J. T. Lloyd., Kimberley (apparently early in 1896)., Yes, I believe Rhodes has fallen for ever. My feelings are a strange ...
- Letters/446:To J. T. Lloyd., Kimberley, 2nd Mar., What is the feeling at Johannesburg, that Rhodes will regain his power and carry out hi...
- Letters/447:To J. T. Lloyd., Kimberley, ? Aug., No, I don't mind anything said about my books, they are given to the world. I don't like ...
- Letters/448:To J. T. Lloyd., The Homestead, Kimberley, 14th Dec., I am sorry to leave this dear little house even for a year. Life has ne...
- Letters/449:To J. T. Lloyd., Kimberley, Dec., I am copying out that book on South Africa - but really on everything in heaven and earth! ...
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- Olive Schreiner: J.T. Lloyd MSC 26/2.5.1:Matjesfontein , Oct 29 / 92, Dear Mr Lloyd , Thank you very much for the lecture you sent me. Need I tell you that I valued i...
- Olive Schreiner: J.T. Lloyd MSC 26/2.5.2:[page/s missing], One point he & I are always having great arguments about: he, like Grant Allen & others, thinks it ...
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- Cory Library, Rhodes University: The Cory Library, Grahamstown, is a rich resource for books and archival papers pertaining in particular to the history of th... Show/Hide Collection Letters
- G.W. Cross MS 14, 462/2:Dear Mr Cross, We leave this on Monday by the early train for GT: spend a few hours there at the Railway Hotel with my little...
- G.W. Cross MS 14, 462/8:My very dear Friend, I have sent you a copy of the paper on the political situation which I & my husband produced & w...
- G.W. Cross MS 14, 462/11:Coles Hotel, The Kowie, Thursday , Dear Mr Cross, Thank you so much for coming to meet us. It cheered my heart. We have had p...
- G.W. Cross MS 14, 462/15:The Homestead , Saturday night, Dear Friend, Thankyou for your letter. I have of late a curious increasing clinging to all my...
- Humanities Research Center, University of Texas at Austin: The HRC, Austin, is one of the world leading locations for archival papers pertaining to literary life and manuscripts across... Show/Hide Collection Letters
- HRC/OliveSchreinerUncatLetters/OS-TFisherUnwin/47:7 rue Lemâitre, Puteaux, Seine, France, May 22nd 1897, Dear Mr Unwin,, Thankyou for the cutting you sent me. It is very ...
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- MacFarlane-Muirhead/11:The Homestead, Kimberley, Aug 3rd 1895, Dear Bob,, A friend of my, a splendid but and very kind Presbeterian Clergyman was he...
- National Library of South Africa, Cape Town: Special Collections at the NLSA provide one of the leading locations for archival papers across many periods, organisations a... Show/Hide Collection Letters
- Olive Schreiner: J.T. Lloyd MSC 26/2.5.1:Matjesfontein , Oct 29 / 92, Dear Mr Lloyd , Thank you very much for the lecture you sent me. Need I tell you that I valued i...
- Olive Schreiner: Mary Sauer MSC 26/2.11.101:Darling Mary , I wonder if you have gone to Johannesburg? I send you Mr Lloyds letter to serve as to let you know what he is ...
- Olive Schreiner: Mary Sauer MSC 26/2.11.102:Darling , I would advise you not to take Dorothy to England at all but to send her to Miss Moltenos at Port Elizabeth. You kn...
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- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold3/1896/14:Friday morning , Thank you for your letter. Oh yes, I am very regular with the meals, & cook very well!!!! Dr To day we a...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold3/1896/24:Coles Hotel, The Kowie, Wednesday, Dear Friend,, I’ve just got your note. We have had a most splendid ten days we here....
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold3/1896/30:The Homestead, Sunday, Dear Friend, Thank you for your letter. No I don’t & have never thought the married woman’...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold5/1898/3:Sunday , My darling Friend, I have got so silly, crying all day & all night for nothing, that I am going to the Kowie no ...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold5/1898/4:Dear Laddie, I’m stone broke, so am going down to the dear old Kowie for a few days. It seems there is never a letter c...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold5/1898/6:Dear Friend, Your wire adds to my disappointment. I did, & do long so for the Kowie, & the big waves, & the sand....
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold5/1898/8:May 17 / 98, You will be wondering, dear friend, why I have not written before, but Cron’s dear old mother has been spe...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold5/1898/9:May 26th 1898, Dear Laddie, I wrote you a letter just after I returned from Johannesburg telling you how much I liked old Hud...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold5/1898/18:My dear Friend, I am very ill, I seem to have no life left & can do nothing. The doctor says is only my heart; but I beli...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold5/1898/29:The Homestead, Kimberley, 26 Sept. 1898, My dear Friend, I should have replied to your two kind notes to me but that Olive ha...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold5/1898/30:Wednesday , My dear Friends, Cron promised me he would write & tell you I was leaving for Johannesburg on Friday next. On...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold5/1898/32:67 Esselin St, Hospital Hill, Johannesburg, Oct 4th 1898., My dear Friend,, Yours letters sent to the care of Mr Lloyd have r...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold5/1898/33:Address c/o Rev Lloyd , 10 Pietersen St, Johannesburg , Oct 11th 1898, Dear Friend, I hope you went back refreshed & stre...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box1/Fold5/1898/34:Box 2 Johannesburg, Dear Friend,, Yes isn’t the news comforting. It seems to ease even physical pain. I know my dear La...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box2/Fold2/July-Dec1899/5:Thurs-day night , Dear Friends, I have just heard that J.H. Hofmeyr is coming over tomorrow at ten o’clock. I am going ...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box2/Fold2/July-Dec1899/8:Monday Afternoon, Dear Friend, I got both your letters this afternoon. There is no fresh news here today. Kolbe’s lett...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box2/Fold2/July-Dec1899/11:July 26th 1899, Dear Laddie, You are having a hard time, but it seems we are winning for the moment at last. My friend Mr J T...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box2/Fold3/1900/22:Monday , Dear Fan , Thanks so much for your letter, & the two little dogs!!! I send you Cron’s last letter. He does...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box2/Fold3/1900/27:May 1st 1900, I wonder if you are in Cape Town now, dear Friend. Things are looking dark enough. It seems we are going to loo...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box2/Fold3/1900/30:May 23 / 00, Dear Friend, I am sending you the two articles on the woman question. Please return them when you’ve done ...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box2/Fold4/1901/15:Monday , Dear Friend, I was so glad to get your note. Cape Point must be lovely. I am just going out to buy some meal for a p...
- Olive Schreiner BC16/Box 12/Fold1/Undated/11:The Homestead, Jan 10 / 97, Dear Friend, I am so very glad to hear Miss Green is so much better. No doubt she has had the bes...